Lately, many
Advocare distributors have expressed concerns about the sale of Advocare
products on eBay
and Amazon.
To be honest with you, I do not blame them. What is the point of working so
hard to build your business if someone is going to undermine the whole process?
In this article I am going to share with you what I believe is the answer to
the online sales.
When I linked the Advocare products to my old blog, Ryan
Gruenwald’s Advocare microsite popped up. Now, you tell me why his website was
popping up when I clicked on Amazon products. I did write an article titled “I
know who is selling Advocare Products on Amazon” that talked about Ryan and
unauthorized online sales. Since then I have done some research to find out
more about Ryan. It is difficult to tell if someone stole his identity or if he
is actually the one doing the selling. But I also find it hard to believe he is
not involved.
Ryan Gruenwald is quite
the marketing scammer. Just a short look around the inner web revealed that he
is involved with click ads as well as other online marketing. If you look at the
previous link you will notice he claims to have connections with ADHawk Media LLC, Manta
Media Inc. and others. The problem I see is that he also has his own Advocare microsite which is only
provided to distributors. Maybe it does not seem relevant to you, or damaging
on the surface, but it took me about 15 minutes or less to find 15 different
sellers names on Amazon. I guess I should say their fake names. I did a quick
search on eBay and found more people selling. If you take into consideration
Ryan’s apparent love for spam marketing, and the fact that he, could be, or is,
a distributor, it is a recipe for illicit Advocare sales. These people are
going to continue selling online as long as Advocare allows them to get away
with it. You might be asking yourself, what can Advocare do about it?
I assure you
they have been in this position before. In 2013 Advocare announced on Facebook
that 60 Advocare distributors were suspended for supplying products to people
connected to Amazon and eBay sales. With that, 155 sellers identities were
discovered, and 650 unauthorized listings were removed. Unfortunately, you will
also notice on that Facebook page that someone informed Advocare that products
were back on eBay shortly after. One person asked Advocare why they cannot use
code recognition to mark the boxes. Or have the products removed based on
trademark violation. I have to admit, I have asked the same questions. The problem
I see is that it would be expensive. The reason the system works so well for
Advocare is because they do not have to spend the extra money on devices to
ensure people do not walk out of the store with their merchandise. Or spend
money on advertising common with traditional products. With that, how do you guard
against people like Ryan in a direct sales environment?
There are so
many ways to obtain a distributorship. Deceptive people could hire someone to
buy a distributorship, use a fake name, and use a stolen picture. Most of which
would result in some type of identity theft. So, would implementing a means to
attach a product to a distributor work? Sure it would! All Advocare would have
to do is scan the product and the distributors name would be available.
Unfortunately the distributor turnover rate is so high it would be difficult
and problematic to implement such a system. There is a better answer!
Do any of
you remember the landmark case Federal
Trades Commission vs. Amway? I believe within that case there is an answer.
One that Allison
Levy could possibly use to permanently stop illegal online sales. I am not
sure that they are illegal, because if they were, Amazon and eBay would have
safeguards in place to mitigate the problem. I would say it is illegal for a
distributor bound by the Advocare agreement. If you read this
article the author claims that Levy supervises three attorneys and one paralegal.
She probably should give me a call, I would be more than happy to help her out.
It is really difficult to prevent illegal online sales when your company is
running on fumes. Let me tell you why I believe the Amway case is important.
One of the
complaints by the Federal Trade Commission pertained to Amway’s retail store
rule. Amway, similar to all multilevel marketing companies, does not allow the
sale of products in a retail environment. According to section 10.11 of Advocare
policies and procedures, merchandise is authorized for sale in a service environment
as long as the distributor is on the property when the products are being sold,
distributor is doing the selling, and the distributor obtains prior permission
from Advocare Legal. But that is not the same as a retail environment. I do not
know of any American multilevel marketing company that allows sales in a retail
establishment. You can find examples of what Advocare considers a retail
establishment under 10.11.1 of the policies
and procedures. But what did the Judge have to say about the retail store
rule?
Several experts
testified in the aforementioned Amway case, and persuaded the judge to rule in
favor of Amway. A link between product demand and the relationship between face
to face sales was established. Experts testified that introducing products at a
retail level would diminish demand for the product, and basically would
undermine the marketing strategy of the direct sales business in such a way retail
stores would lose interest. Forcing companies such as Amway and Advocare back
into a tradition marketing strategy competing for shelf space. The retail sales
would most certainly undermine the whole direct sales concept and could lead to
financial loss or bankruptcy. The court established precedence within the Amway
ruling, and for the most part, I believe has been overlooked.
It is apparent
Advocare is aware of the retail rule. That is why they have restricted such
sales, and prevent marketing on Amazon and eBay. With the current advancements in
technology, establishing new rules to ensure the preservation of the direct
sales model is necessary. Back in the 70’s the internet was not a problem that
the court could address as it did not exist. What I believe the Advocare legal
department is overlooking is the real precedence that was set, and must be
honored. In a prior article I talked about “stare decisis”, which means to
stand by decided matters. Unless another case comes along and circumvents (changes)
prior law, the court must honor prior decisions. In this argument I am using
decisions made within the Amway case regarding not allowing the sale of
products in a retail establishment. It was clear to me that the Judge
recognized that any retail sales would result in injury to the company, and the
distributors. With that, the retail sales restriction was acknowledge by the
Judge as a necessity to ensure the company success. The safeguards not only
protect the company, but the distributors that have already invested in their
future. So now we need to apply that rule to the current economic conditions in
a way that will better suit our generation. How do we do that?
I believe
there are a couple ways of accomplishing the aforementioned. Implementing a new
law that would prevent the sale of certain multilevel marketing merchandise from markets such as Amazon and eBay is a
good start. Where in that Amway case did you read that the no retail sales
pertained to just distributors? I think the intent was to provide products to
the end user, not to sell inventory to a storefront. The same can be said about
Advocare products. To protect the integrity of the marketing system, sales are
directed towards end users as well. Implement one simple law that protects
multilevel marketing products would be a simple solution, and could have a
beneficial effect on the multi level marketing industry. Not to mention would be
a reasonably quick solution. Although I do realize that some companies would
still have trouble guarding against such sales, I do not see Advocare as one of
them. Advocare is a trademark, and all products are labeled with the Advocare
name. If they are not, they easily could be. Let me give you an idea of what I
am thinking.
Advocare can
encourage the creation of a new law. The law would prevent the sale of
multilevel marketing products on any unauthorized website or retail. All sales
would have to be authorized by the multilevel marketing company. The law would
not prevent the resale of the product to other people (face to face), as long
as the person does not fall within the scope of inventory loading. Meaning, you
will not be able to sell your friend a ton of product for resale. I think you
get the idea. Anyone that buys the products would be notified that they cannot
sell the product online or in a retail environment. But I am not sure that Advocare would have to
encourage the implementation of a new law, although I would suggest them
trying.
The Judge in
the Amway case made it clear that retail sales should be prohibited, but he was
ambiguous at best. We know he was referring to the decision as it related to
Amway and their distributors. We know that he established that any retail sales
would be injurious to the industry as a whole. What can we ascertain from his
ruling? Meaning, what was his intent? As I aforementioned, the internet was not
a problem, so controlling sales made to retail stores was as simple as going
into the store and finding out who was selling the products, and then
terminating their distributorship. That is not so easy anymore with the
internet. Was the Judge’s ruling intended to prevent retail stores from legally
selling products without the permission of the company? I believe it was, but
was there a law implemented after the ruling? Do multi level marketing
companies really need a law?
There are
limitations to the trademark infringement laws. For example Advocare can
prevent the unauthorized use of their personal logo and any other Trademark
protected documents from being used by anyone. Without making this too
complicated, there is a law that affords us the right to resell merchandise. It
is referred to as the “First
Sale Doctrine”. I provided a link to the 2013 federal case that does an
alright job of summing up the complex law. If you feel your legal reading comprehension
capabilities are good you can read the U.S Code yourself. I
would have to guess most lawyers do not understand it. I mean seriously, anytime
something starts with notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), and
does that multiple times in a small paragraph, enough said. So where does that
leave us? On one hand we have Advocare that has control of all distributors and
how they sell their products. We have case law (Amway) that confirmed the
importance of keeping products away from the retail environment. Federal case
law has assured Americans the right to resell any merchandise legally
purchased. There are so many legal questions that arise from such a
conversation.
You might be
thinking that the First Sale Doctrine only covers distributors that purchased
the merchandise from Advocare. Or that the policies and procedures prevent the
sale of Advocare products online from a third party. Unfortunately, once you
sell the product to a customer as an authorized distributor, they have
exclusive rights to do whatever they want with it. They can give it away, or
sell it on eBay, and there is nothing you can do about it. According to your
policies and procedures, you are supposed to stop selling to those type people.
As you can see the answer is not as easy as you would think. If you actually
read the case that the 2013 First Sale Doctrine was based on you would probably
do a stinker in your pants. Here is a quote from the following website:
The decision in Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons is a victory for Supap Kirtsaeng, a student who was fined $600,000 for importing Wiley textbooks from his native Thailand, where they were cheaper, and selling them in the U.S. It’s also a victory for libraries and retailers like eBay, who argued the “first sale” doctrine — giving owners of published books and recordings the right to sell them to whomever they want — should apply to imported works as well as U.S. publications.”
As you can
see, the student bought the books from overseas and sold them here, and was
still protected by the First Sale Doctrine. I have my reservations regarding
buying from another country and selling here. I mean seriously, is buying with
the intent to resell for profit what the Doctrine was implemented for? Or was
the intent to allow products to be sold at some point in time after the
products were used, because you received the wrong one, or just because you decided
not to keep it. Was it seriously designed to protect people that purchase large
quantities for resale? Better yet, does it circumvent the fact many companies
such as Advocare do not allow any retail sales online other than authorized
websites. Unfortunately there are no easy answers.
I believe
the best way to handle the unauthorized online sales of Advocare products is to
encourage the implementation of a new law, drawing from the views of the Amway
case. The precedence has already been set, and all that needs to happen now is
transitioning from the traditional view, to one that accommodates technological
changes. I believe with the increase capability to reach other countries via
the internet, the possibility of suffering financial injury could be greater than
what the court could have ever imagined in the 70’s.
I am not a lawyer, but I would like to think
that I have the ability to come to a logical conclusion. Everything in law
seems to come down to either a duty of care owed to someone, or foresee ability.
Advocare owes the distributor a duty to protect them from harm that they know
or should know could hinder their ability to be successful. With that, is it
foreseeable that not trying to implement a new law would lead to further damage
and would worsen over time?
The Amway Judge has set a precedence that would
lead a reasonable person to believe his intention was to prevent unauthorized retail
sales. By doing so, he acknowledged that doing otherwise would be injurious to
any direct sales company, and could lead to its demise. If Mrs. Levy is as good
as they say she is, that should not be a problem. Or Advocare could make all customers sign a document ensuring they will not sell products online or they will be held criminally liable.
That is it
for now, please let me know what you’re thinking!
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